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that's all we have for tonight. we're back monday with more meet the press daily. the beat with ari melber starts now. good evening. thank you so much. we begin with breaking news in the impeachment probe. bomb shell testimony released undercutting donald trump's core impeachment invest. the investigation growing closer to the top of trump's inner circle. two witnesses pointing finger at mick mulvaney, chief of staff. a witness with first hand knowledge in the infamous phone call. the army officer alexander vindman at the white house who was a staffer and has a purple heart. he is testifying that the entire plan was to dangle the trump-zelensky meeting as a way to get them to do the political
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investigations into biden and cooked up by mulvaney. there was a conversation with mulvaney and this is what was required in order to get a meeting. they had to deliver an investigation. vindman saying the bribery was explic explicit. no ambiguity. according to other testimony released today from fiona hill, mulvaney also was all up in the negotiations. sondland saying he was meeting with mulvaney and they already had an arrangement for the big meeting to be worked out with, guess who, mulvaney. hill says she was shocked by all of this and the bribery was blatant adding that seeing the president undermine national security was basically fulfilling some of her worst fears and nightmares. mick mulvaney who is the person who stepped to that podium and committed the full mulvaney and took it back. he's clearly a central figure in this whole impeachment probe. he contradict eed what donald trump had been saying up to that
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point about the infamous call. >> there was no quid pro quo. there was nothing. >> did he mention to me many pass the corruption that related to the dnc server? absolutely. >> there was no quid pro quo at all. >> what you just described is a quid pro quo? >> we do that all the time with foreign policy. >> there was no quid pro quo. >> that's why we held up the money. >> to paraphrase a saying the fact checks are coming from inside the white house. that's a lot of heat on mick mulvaney who has pulled the full mulvaney, walked it back and is under demand to explain all this. by the way, you kind of hurt your privilege claims when you go out and do big press conference about the stuff you might argue is executive privilege. a no show before congress. today he informed them quote one minute before he was due to testify that the white house ordered him not to appear.
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meanwhi meanwhile ms. hill said she spoke with her supervisor who told her the biden investigation should not be any part of this whole discussion and told her to report what she was hearing about this bribery plot the the lawyer who deals with these things and to tell him i'm not part of whatever drug deal sondland and mulvaney are cook up on this. congress wants to talk to bolton as he is a key witness about what went down before and after this now infamous phone call at the heart of the impeachment probe. bolton knows about relevant meetings on ukraine. it's a lot. i want to get right to our power panel on this tonight. we're so excited to have back on our program, former speech writer for president reagan, a
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columnist for the wall street jou journal and many more things. nice to see you. >> hello. good to be here. >> if i sound more excited about peggy, she's the first among equals. you've been in a white house that battle questions about foreign policy, who was doing what, how high did it go. when you see this barrage of pressure on the chief of staff, what do you think comes next? >> well of course the big thing that comes next is the hearings that will sort of orient us by making all of this public in terms of people coming forward you get to know their name, their face. who they are. as someone who has been in a white house you can't help but wonder if in this case somebody isn't being set up for a fall. you know when white houses get
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in trouble, sometimes they have way of spontaneously deciding who caused the trouble on the inside and offering them up as lambs. i wonder if we're not seeing that with mr. mulvaney. >> there may need to be a blood sacrifice. >> yes. i think white houses think that way. heck, human beings in great organizations will -- human beings in organizations will feel that way. i'll tell you one of the things that i think is happening here. i don't know if you guys agree with this, but on some level i'm losing track of all of the actors in the drama. are you finding that at all? there's a former ambassador, there's a current ambassador. things will become more definite
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and more clear and the meaning of what is being said be very vivid to everybody. >> i think there are two tracks here. i think there is the actual set of facts. if you look at the set of facts it's as if we're having the thanksgiving parade and trump has gotten onto fifth avenue and he has literally shot a series of people in cold blood and all those people who have been testifying -- >> are the parade floats okay? >> they have stayed in tact. a lot of people have died and a lot of people were there to witness it. it's very clear what happened. it's an open and shut case at this point. the second track, however, is that surrounding those eyewitnesss are trump supporters who he accurately said and continues to be the case would ignore it if i shot people on
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fifth avenue. we see that with his biggest enablers with people like lindsey graham where they will say things so untrue that unless you want to live in an alter reality there's no way to take them seriously. >> let's play out the parade. i'm not a body language expert but i did note some dissent with that view. we'll come back to you. to mark, if the difference between that and other controversies may be that mick mulvaney won't talk to congress to say the thing he already said in public which is we do it all the time. what then is the priority for the impeecachment investigationo provide due process right styles and move ahead with telling the country with what they think found occurred. >> i think they indicated they don't want to haggle in the courts about people denying subpoenas. is it that big of a deal if he
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shows up or not because he said on television what happened. in terms of blurriness, it can be overwhelming. what's not blurry is they are all corroborating the same story. the white house is upset over two deep throats. nixon had one. you have anonymous and the whistle-blower. it doesn't even matter anymore. we learned vindman, hill, taylor, sondland, all of them have said the same thing. it doesn't matter who the whistle-blower is anymore. doesn't matter who anonymous is and it doesn't make that much of a difference if mulvaney shows up or not. >> let me jump in and say i have good news and good news. the good news is you're thinking there's a lot of different pieces to this, we have break down that shows who are the witnesses to watch. the other good news is before i bring in some more of the testimony, which i want to
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report on, i give many nunan the promised rebuttal time. >> it's not a rebuttal. i was thinking as tony was speaking, both of these things which seem opposites are true. one is with the movement and action of people going in and testifying and all that stuff, with a lot of pieces to this puzzle, with a lot of actors in the drama, there's a certain amount of blur that is happening. there's something else that's happening. it is going to be part of the challenge for the hearings next week. it is the hearings are dedicated to proving something that i think most american observers who are watching closely don't even doubt. i don't happen to think republicans and democrats are in deep disagreement on whether or not the president of the united states in a phone call but also in other ways was muscling the president of ukraine to give him a political gift that he desired
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and what the president of ukraine would get in return for that would be previously c congressionally authorized funds. i have to tell you -- >> you got him excited. >> that isn't hard. >> i just think this is kind of clear to people. for instance, when this whole story broke with the whistle-blower, nobody who supported the president, nobody in the congress came forward and said that doesn't sound like the president. the president would never do that. that never happened. nobody said that because everybody who loves trump thought, yeah he would do that and those who don't like him, thought hooee'd do that. >> that speaks to the debasement of the office of the president. it is funny and sad that peggy said something that every one
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can relate to is a lot of folk went that sounds like our president. >> the sad part to me, trump is just one guy and at some point trump will be out of here. the fact that 40 plus percent of americans in the face of know he's guilty and this is the key thing, they don't care. they don't care. that's an motiemotion and that' overwhelmed 40% of america. >> i'd like to be more optimistic about that. i know why you're saying that. there aren't as many people that are willing to give him that free pass and say it's okay if you shoot somebody or threaten a president from another country. we'll see about a year from now. as far as the blurriness, i think the public testimony helps
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that. starting next week we'll be able to put faces with names and there's no substitute for people saying substance. i think that helps. >> if john bolton does this, being hawk that he is, he's an established part of that wing. if he comes forward and says this on top of everybody else that's pretty damming. nixon had one say it's a cancer on the prez den sidency. >> we don't know whether he may turn tout out to be a john dean figure. he may say mistake yes, impeachable, not so sure. all of you stay but one thing we
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try to do is parcel it out. there's one more piece of news i want to get your action. this is all about sondland who is a trump person. fiona hill saying he was in charge of ukraine and he said on whose authority and he said the president. this is impeachment evidence because of everything that went down. she saw sondland as target for foreign powers basically telling me i can get you into the white house. all this as he makes the bombshell reversal this week. he started by defending the president but conceded the bribery plot saying he told ukraine no u.s. aid money without the investigation trump wanted. that brings us up to is it blurry, are there lies? donald trump backing away as he's done with other people who have served him up to a point because look at this. donald trump recently described sondland as someone he knew to be a good man and a great american and now all of a sudden today he says this.
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>> let me just tell you, i hardly know the gentleman. this is the man who said there was no quid pro quo. he still says that. he said that i said that. he hasn't changed that testimony. >> this is the person who you wrote the art of the deal with. he says i don't know them. >> i lie for a living. he can't tell the truth. he's almost literally at this point incapable of telling the truth. what happens with trump is that anything that arises that in any way alters his self-image, he will reactively come up with something from thin air. now we have -- we have 13,000 lies but i'd like to know how many truths we have.
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how many times have he hold the truth during the last three years. >> you think we should count that? >> i do. you kulds could do it on one ha they are accidental. >> he has to resort -- he's like a child -- he is still the child that his parents dropped off at military school and it's like he never grew up out of that. he has to attack people personally. that's why he's so fascinated with getting names and if he can't attack you personally, he says he didn't even know who you are. that's to me just an immature way of functioning. he knows the situation he is in. he's going to call somebody a bunch of names or say i've never met them. i don't know who it is. it just doesn't dawn on him. one of the worst things a human being can be is nonself-aware.
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this is most one of the most nonself-aware in human history. >> those who feel passionately supportive of the president do not think that his enemies are necessarily truthful people. that his enemies are going at him for high minded reasons having to do with protecting the public good. they think his enemies are going after him for merely partisan low political reasons. >> what do you think? >> this thing become a big punch. >> what do you think? >> i think this is an unusual president who has done what john kelly, his former chief of staff told him he would do if he didn't clean up his act which is summon through his actions an impeachment movement in the congress.
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i don't think it does us any good to make believe that the president is the only one who ever does some wrong here. i think his enemies, to tell you the truth, i think in congress there are a lot of people who have in their rage and sometimes in their mischief towards the president given their own case a bad look to half the country. adam schiff look likes a partisan guy. >> he is partisan. >> okay, well. my goodness. >> he is partisan. he's democrat. >> i understand that but you have to run something like there, an impeachment, proceedsing in way like peter rhodino ran watergate when he was the head of judiciary. he did it in a very careful way
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that included republicans. he kind of put his arms around him. he wound up getting a lot of republican support for the articles of impeecachment that supported. >> those are different republicans. >> this is a different time. >> they had been in hearings. >> you have to do this. you have to be the rhodino. with a sense of sadness. >> congressman schiff is a pretty straightforward, non-emotion non-emotional cat. >> i really appreciate the seriousness that you each are dialoguing with each other. there's a lot of monologue and a will the lot of noise. this was a dialogue. for anyone at home that heard something and thought i disagree with that, good. there was more than one view on this panel. you couldn't agree with all of it. it's a nice way to start the weekend. tony comes back with the harlem
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rapper. mark and peg gyi hope you come back. i'm coming up with my special report connecting the dots we got this week on the bribery. it will explain everything. also new reports on rudy giuliani's indicted associates dangling a state visit to the ukraine president in exchange for those investigations. later i have thoughts on the new claim by anonymous. all that fall back friday with dave east. it's friday and you're watching the beat on msnbc. d u'yore watc the beat on msnbc. man: sneezes skip to the good part with alka-seltzer plus. now with 25% more concentrated power. nothing works faster for powerful cold relief.
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new testimony revealed in the impeachment inquiry today two officials with growing evidence of bribery. detailing the specific rewards trump's team offered ukraine for political help that trump wanted. all part of the case that trump was demanding a bribe to help his re-election. one aide recounting how she witnessed sondland saying a meeting with ukrainians hinged if they could go forward with political investigations. another recounting how the deliverable trump sought was the investigation into the bidens. this week is ending like it began with more evidence and more first hand accounts of this bribery plot, but that's not all that's happening. right now we want to show you
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how the witnesses are not only adding up and how some witnesses are impacting other witnesses and moving where they stand on this important story. if you divide the camp up between the meet admitting it, it's as the accounts go public some of the people who used to try to deny it have been compelled to admit it. you could say things are moving towards the ambassador bill taylors of the world. that's first person we know of that objected to this thing and away from the donald trumps of the world. let me show you some of our new reporting on this. we made an animated chart. it's pretty clear and it's going to get pretty damming. it all starts this summer trump
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and ambassador sondland pushing and insisting there was no quid pro quo bribery. even the in private taylor objected. you had those two camps. bribery and no bribery and boom. the whistle-blower joins the bribery chorus filing a complaint about this plot. at that point those were the battle lines. some people involved said it was a bribery plot. other people involved denied it. that's a split case. back to our chart. enter trump aide mick mulvaney to admit the bribery plot saying famously saying quid pro quo bribery happens all the time. could that last with the number one stapffer stay in that camp. no. here you see mulvaney migrating
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over to the no bribery camp because after that press conference he reversed himself later the same day and now claims no bribery. however absurd that retraction, that's was the last time several top people stood by trump. here is where things get really ugly for trump. the new testimony reshaped those alliances. back to our chart. army officer vindman testifies there was bribery. add him to that bribery camp and a top official on trump's security council joins in to detail bribery. then here is the most important shift in all the testimony to date. it happened this week. wait for it. as taylor and other testimony goes public, sondland moves over to join taylor and all these other officials saying yes this was bribery.
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this is the move. sondland updating his past congressional testimony and going, all of a sudden, i now recall the bribery plot. you're now looking at where things stand today. so dmr sondland movered over. on the left that's what you have. you have donald trump and mulvaney who told the country there was bribery only to retract and you have trump. on the right you have a lot of other kredsabcredible testimony. what do prosecutors do with case that has this kind of testimonial evidence? veteran prosecutor tells us when we're back in just 30 seconds. n we're back in just 30 seconds.
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joining me now former federal prosecutor gene rossi. thanks for being here. >> happy friday. >> happy friday. i had panel earlier tonight that talked about how some of this can add up. i'd like your analysis as a prosecutor as we put back on the screen the fin irnished product how some of the testimony has realigned. >> you want me to comment now? >> yeah. >> okay. i tried cases for almost 30 years and i got to say this, ari, when i was watching your chart on television, i was
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reminded of many trials i had that i supervised myself and observed and i got to tell you this, 18 usc 2001 is the bribery statute. it's the bedrock of federal corruption crimes and the public integrity section if they are not watching your show, they should because you just gave the opening statement for a charge against the president of the united states and mulvaney and several others for conspiracy to violate the bribery statute. here is what's most important about what you put up there. on the left side of that chart, those two individuals and this is important, they didn't give any statements under oath. the ones on the right did. in my experience, when you put someone under oath in front of a judge, a jury, a petit jury or
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grand jury, amaze things happen. -- >> you make a great point right there. we divided the line in thinking about what the claims are. we saw mulvaney move and sondland. you're adding a detail is every one on the right has been compelled in person to give testimony under oath at this point. mr. mulvaney, ducked that today. >> absolutely. i know why he ducked it. he knows if he takes an oath and testifies in front of a proceedings whether it's a trial or congress, he knows that he cannot tell the truth. he would have to commit perjury because you don't go from saying in front of millions of people in the united states and throughout the world that it's done all the time, quid pro quo, arms for dirt and then back away. if they put him in a grand jury right now, he would sing like a
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bird unless he was intent on committing perjury. >> does he have legal exposure? >> yes bp there's. there's a conspiracy. you talked about it in the beginning. there's a conspiracy among the president, mulvaney, rudy giuliani, lev and igor and god knows how many others to engage in a scheme called arms for dirt where the president of the united states is holding up funds to get dirt on his opponent. i want to say this, go back to 1944 for a moment and imagine if president franklin roosevelt called prime minister churchill and said winston, i have $400 million that i want to give you for food and bullets and planes but i'm not going to do it unless you give me dirt on thomas in the republican party. he would be impeached. >> maybe people need a certain barrage of examples to get their head around it because when you
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lay it out like that, why we learned what we learned. why the people on the right are speaking and sayi ining bribery the others holding back, it's fascinating. we'll be having you back. thank you, sir. >> thank you so much. n up ahead, a white house official calling rudy giuliani a hand grenade on ukraine. will he speak to congress? breaking news on what rudy giuliani's indicted associates were doing before trump's plot. that's next. re doing before trut that's next. 25 cent boneless wings at applebee's. get 'em while they're hot.
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we're back with reporting on this new testimony coming out today with malcolm nance. good evening to you. what do you see as important in what we're learning and what it animates about the history of this whole sorted plot? >> the most important factor that we're seeing here today with the -- today's breaking news because by the time we're
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finished there will be another one, is that this story goes back much further than this year. i think what we're starting to see with the information about that rudy giuliani's associated lobbied the prooefevious presid to bring up this exact same story before zelensky shows that donald trump was afraid of biden much earlier and said he was going to create this plan to take down biden. where does that tie in? it ties into robert mueller and the entirety of vladmir putin's plan to undermine the yiunited states democracy. donald trump doesn't do anything for slvladimir pumir putin unle been coordinated and agreed upon. we learned the promoscow head of hungary and putin were telling
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trump their version of what ukraine was which was a corrupt pro-western democracy which they wanted to see undermined. i think this entire story is going back to moscow. >> that goes to how some of this is so fact free because you have someone who is not interested in facts. he is not fact checking that. if he's getting input from other people abroad or rudy giuliani or whomever, if it works to his direction then that's all he wants and malcolm i want to put that in the context of your analysis of this new wall street journal reporting. an associate of trump's lawyer pressing the president of ukraine to open these investigations that would benefit trump and then rudy giuliani associates may or may not have had this juice but they were paying him and they had dangled a white house visit in exchange for similar probes.
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>> this is absolutely fascinating that rudy giuliani has had this story out there for a while which means before he went in february and had his associates discuss it, this operation may have been in works for six months, who knows when this real story started. again, i think it starts with paul manafort. paul manafort worked for the pro-moscow government. we find the entire trump team is pitching this story it was hillary clinton that actually had ukraine hack the servers in the 2016 election but it all comes back -- >> if you're going to hack yourself, you ask a random foreign country to help hack yourself. >> it's all done to protect vladimir putin and to damage ukraine for vladmir putin in is
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an ex-kgb spy master. he knows rudy giuliani is out there doing this. he's using pro-moscow oligarchs. hen he speaks to trump, maneuvers trump into a position where he will get whatever he wants. >> that's when you go to our own state department being cut out of the loop that affects u.s. national security. it's breathtaking. your experience here very relevant. thank you, sir. >> my pleasure. up ahead, a lot of talk about anonymous. i have a break down and how it all addresses the ukraine whistle-blower when we come back. e ukraine whistle-blower when we come back oh! oh! oh!
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warning. what do you do when someone offer you a warning? could be helpful or ominous. the political world is taking in this new warning alleging a senior official in trump administration has a new book called "a warning." the book shares its title with the classic notorious b.i.g. song that covers turf how people that ride with you can turn on you. it's the ones that smoke blunts with you, take picks with you and come and grab your guns and come get you. aligning trump with an elderly uncle running pantless across the yard. aides talking about resigning in mass and a self-massacre.
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something they never actually did. these accounts are fair game for media and political discussion, of course. it's striking to see this book which you may hear people talking about arriving now in the midst of the ukraine scandal because this new author taking another tumrn in the spotlight, the whistle-blower did not leak or speculate on rebellions that came to fruition. the real whistle-blower documented facts. reported them lawfully through proper channels. going to the inspector general who confirmed their job and found the ukraine complaint an urgent concern. that alone gives every one way more confidence in the whistle-blower than in anonymous who hasn't identified their full expertise and role and only dealt with a few random editors and the whistle-blower identified far more than opinions against trump. it led to the probes that
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compelled the lease of the call notes corroborating that account. one whistle-blower's voice brought forward more. you've seen them. the failings of diplomats and veterans and officials walking into congress to testify. let me be clear tonight, there's more than one way to dissent. it just happens that the whistle-blower's way worked and drew others to come forward with facts while anonymous has earned more book deals than investigative leads. the book addresses some of this conceding many may see this as cowa cowardice and anonymous may come out at some point. the whistle-blower shows you don't have to reveal yourself to make an impact if you know the rules and you know how to work within them. anonymous is now making a literary splash but the whistle-blower is making waves. to quote that same song, it ain't a dream, things ain't all the what it seem. i wanted to share that thought sints since a lot of people might be discussing that book and i want
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. it's time now to fall back. i am joined tonight by harlem rapper davies. his new album survival is dropping today. a special collaboration with his daughter kyriee who he has sometimes out on tour with him. he plays method man in wootang, an american saga. while dave represents harlem, he's joined by tony schwarz
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representing manhattan and the bronx. businessman, former "new york times" journalist and the author of five books, donald trump's "the art of the deal." >> i have to apologize for writing that book. >> we'll get into that. tony -- >> all good. >> what's on your fall back list? >> i want to fall back on certainty. whenever you're feeling anxious you move to certainty and it's a binary way of thinking. it's good or bad, right or wrong. it rarely, rarely is. incredibly complex world. i watch it in silicon valley. if you think back not very long ago, the tech companies were going to be our savior. the here woes were those who ran those companies. suddenly they are the devil. they're the opposite. they're going to bring down civil days and it's about
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nuance, subtlety, finding a place that can hold opposites, that can tolerate the idea of that even though they may conflict with each other. >> dave, sometimes people act more certain than they are to appear strong. do you ever see that? >> i feel that. >> like someone will carry themselves a certain way and act more certain, more successful, more tough than they are and you find out there's more to the story. >> a lot of pride involved with that and trying to over expert the confidence that might not be there. you may do that to seem more certain. >> yes, i agree with that. any strength over used becomes a problem. it becomes arrogance. >> what else is on your fall back list, dave? >> honestly, i feel like the entire u.s. government.
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i just feel like there's never been so much division in the country. so much uncertainty, you know, in what's going on and i think it's starting at the top, the head. i feel like that needs to become figured out. i don't know exactly how to do it. i think if that is figured out and the vision between the republicans and democrats, if that can come to some type of balance, move some type of balance it will be a much better country to live in. >> no, it's -- this is exactly the point. we are divided between people that are certain they are right even though only if one of them has to be right, one has to be wrong and that's where you get all of this division. i was just -- just thinking about a study that was done by a guy named george valian at harvard. ben bradlee was in the study, jfk was in the study.
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>> just to cut in, tony's the kind of guy he'll bring homework to a dinner party. you'll be talking about any normal thing. there's three studies. >> keep talking. >> anyway, this is so simple. out of these 300 people in the study followed for 50 years, the thing that determined most whether they had success in life, their marriages, their careers was what was the quality of love in their childhood? how much good loving did they get? he's devoted to his daughter. >> that's true. >> that's where it starts. actually, we're in a moment of -- we're in a time of incredible hatred and a time when the diffuser would be the capacity to tap into your heart. >> i love you saying that because shout out to dave sr. you brought your parents here today. >> yes. >> that's a big part of your life. >> they ride around with me. my two good luck charm, you know? >> that is -- you can't imagine what a -- you can, but what
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incredible good fortune it is to feel that way. >> but you know what i think is the problem with that, i feel like people are more into power than love, you know what i mean? i feel like love is like -- eh, you know what i mean? but having power or control of that, people lean to that more. i feel like that's what's really the biggest problem with everything. >> let's get into that because i was listening to the new album dropped today. >> listening? >> i listen. >> you have a line on there where you say basically you felt or sometimes -- the line is you needed to get power to make sure you didn't get hurt growing up. >> yes. >> i buy that. >> that's real. and that comes from seeing who got power, whether it's the stronger dude or whether it's someone with a weapon. like power comes in many ways and i learned that early, you know what i mean? so that i moved through life like that knowing that most power that people have, they
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abuse it, you know what i mean? most people when they get power, they abuse it. so i try not to abuse whatever power, whatever influence i have on whoever, you know? >> i've never felt more than i do now. i couldn't agree with you more. i never felt more than i do now the truth that power corrupts and power corrupts absolutely. whether you look at it in me too and all of those men who have had power and use it to abuse women or the way trump uses power as president. the human impulse is a survival impulse. the instinct is to exercise power mostly because you feel weak. the most insecure person becomes the most grandiose person. >> let's get into the album before i lose you. people who are sleeping on survival need to fall back. >> fall all the way back. he said it. it's based on survival instincts. >> survival is the album.
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>> how about that? maybe that's why i'm here with you. >> i would be remiss if i didn't mention. i think survival might fare better than some of tony's work. here's "art of the deal." >> we're going to pump this sucker. >> what do people need to know about the album? >> it's my life. i feel like it's the inspiration and the motivation for generations to come. i wanted to record and create something that would be timeless and not just live for the moment. >> why was it important to put your daughter on it? she was on the cover of one of them -- >> she talking. i was like, you know what, come be on. appreciate both of you. >> nice to meet you. >> we'll be back sunday night impeachment, white house in crisis. sunday night at 9 p.m. before we go, i want to mention one more thing you're about to see. tonight marks the 20th anniversary of "hardball" with
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chris matthews. we want to give a big shoutout to our colleague and leader on this milestone. i'm going to say get out right on time. happy, happy birthday to "hardball," chris matthews, that whole team. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. 20 years of "hardball." let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews from washington. i'll be joined later in the show by a few special guests including one you've often heard me call the queen. we start with the news tonight. business news tonight. a conspiracy so immense that it includes the president's chief of staff, his lawyer, his designated envoy and a hijacked
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